LOST 5×16 & 5×17 “The Incident” Parts 1 & 2

May 14, 2009 · Print This Article

LOST has finally done it again.  “The Incident” is the first 5-star season finale since the second season’s.  Damon and Carlton knocked it out of the park along with Jack Bender’s excellent direction (the best director the show has).  They can be proud.  And the LOST faithful can feel vindication.  



“The Incident” = delivery

Checklist of what was delivered:

  1. Complete view of the 4-toed statue –check
  2. Complete view of Jacob in the flesh –check
  3. Revelation of “The Incident” –check
  4. The Black Rock –check (somewhat)

And Damon and Carlton did all this with leaving us with NO CLUE WHATSOEVER about what will happen in the final (6th) season.  That was the real thing that put this episode at 5-stars for me.  Could we all be back at LAX?  Could Jack, Kate, Sawyer, etc. live things on on the island fro 1977 to forever?  Will the character of the island radically change with the death of Jacob?  Who knows.  We have an 8.5 month wait.


  • Seeing how Jacob touched all the major characters, and the new curly haired character that long ago go seriously made love to by Pullo
  • The look of determination on Sawyer’s face when standing the road before the van
  • Uh, see the 4-toed statue in full, come on!
  • Seeing a black rock before seeing THE Black Rock!  Come on!
  • The fairest of all Juliette bringing DESTINY to everybody
  • Fake Locke!
  • the traveling score perhaps only pulled out for season finales
  • Jack looking at the last second to Kate for the go ahead
  • Juliette’s smile to Sawyer right before Jack tosses the bomb
  • Phil getting shish-ka-bobbed
  • Razinski getting punched
  • Rose & Bernard and Vincent cameo


  • Jack and Sawyer having a chat while Sayid bleeds out!  Made no sense.
  • The lack of authority Dr. Chang has, should have been higher ranking that Razinski
  • Jacob just accepting getting stabbed, he speaks infinite languages but doesn’t know kung fu?  

So here we are….our very last season finale of LOST.  No more.  This is the last summer and fall of wondering the fate of the island.  LOST is on course as much as it ever has been.  The true genius and scope of the show is coming into view now, not to mention its attention to detail.

The throwaway ep where Hurley finds the old VW van in the jungle providing a comic relief ep?  That VW van has been critical throughout the rest of the series.  

Let the theories for what we see after the white out begin!


22 Responses to “LOST 5×16 & 5×17 “The Incident” Parts 1 & 2”

  1. on May 15th, 2009 2:15 AM

    I completely agree with Jason- this was an excellent episode, an excellent finale, one of the best if not the best yet- not only because it had everything we could want- love, loss, betrayal, depth, intense complexity and huge reveals as well as more questions- but also because it channeled every other season finale from the past.

    Season 1, blow the Hatch, we have that when Locke sits on the beach and points out the blown hatch cover to Ben, when we open on Jacob in his lair spinning in much the same way we opened on Desmond at the start of season 2. We have explosions and white light into the outtro as in seasons 1 and 2.

    Season 3 and the future flashes- we have that happening constantly, with two time-lines going on at once and Jack taking action to prevent the future/past from ever occuring. Season 4 and seeing Locke in the coffin we have as we once more, delayed to the last possible moment, have Locke being poured out of a ‘coffin’.

    Add to that the idea of an exodus and the walking to a confrontation music we had in seasons past, a vision of both the Black Rock at sea, and Jacob and the Statue, all of which have been teasing us for seasons, all of which combined make for a stunning finale.

    All the things on Jason’s list of likes I agree with. Of the dislikes I actually like the way Jacob dies- he knows it’s coming and almost seems to welcome it. He could have stopped it if he’d wanted to. He clearly didn’t want to. And why? Well, let’s get into theories:


    It’s all a game of chess. We’ve suspected as much for such a long time. Since Locke and Walt playing back-gammon in early season 1, gaming has been a motif, as has the idea of black and white to represent polar opposites. Our characters were the chess pieces, the island and the world the board. It was clear from the numbers cropping up throughout all the early flash-backs, through the constant coincidences, and through the talk of destiny by the likes of Locke- that some guiding providence was taking place- guiding our characters through a long and exhausting gambit, towards an ultimate end-game and check-mate.

    It’s never been clearer than in this episode. We got to see Jacob actually plant the seeds in our characters that would steer them to their course. Sawyer to his first lie, and onto the course to become a conman and ultimately kill the real Sawyer. Jack to the understanding that maybe he shouldn’t hate his father, that maybe he really did need ‘just a little nudge’. Saieed onto a vengeful path that would lead him to Ben, and back to the island. Kate onto a path of internal conflict between right and wrong, and interventing in others affairs due to some driving idea of morality (killing her mother’s husband for her sake, and on the island constantly getting in the way and telling Jack and Sawyer what to do). And Locke- poor Locke. The most used of them all. A sacrifice. Jacob apologizes to him, as he knows he will have to use him. Start him down a path that will lead him through many essential actions, only to die in the cause of bringing the real strike force (Jack, Kate, Hurley, Saieed) back through time, while at the same time leading Jacob’s opponent into a trap with himself as the bait.

    Two players, and a field of pieces. In this episode for the first time, we got a clearer idea of who the players are. Widmore, Ben, eloise, they are all merely pieces. The two players are the two men from the start of the episode. Jacob- who by his own words seems to represent a hopefulness about humanity, about their ability to overcome, to be moral, to be logical. And his opponent, who sees in humanity only violence, corruption, and death. Who would kill humans pre-emptively.

    Two foes who have been fighting for a very long time. Who long to kill each other, but are for some reason unable. There are rules even for them. They are gods, it would seem. Perhaps diametric sides of the same god- and so unable to kill each other. They battle for the fate of the world and humanity with their pawns, influencing them as they choose.

    Jacob influences with words, and healing. He manipulates, but he doesn’t use violence. And who is his foe? It is the risen Locke, the Lazarus- a form incarnate. It is the smoke monster- which told Ben to follow the fake Locke on pain of death. The smoke monster which only appeared to Ben after the fake-Locke had gone away. The smoke monster which read Locke years ago in season 1, and saw in him a fitting sap to cause the death of Jacob.

    “You’ve no idea what I’ve been through to get here,” says the smoke monster to Jacob at the end. We think it is Locke speaking, but of course it is not. The smoke monster has woven a thread, just as Jacob has (‘it takes a long time when you make your own thread. But I suppose that is the point.’). It has been years of plotting in the making.

    The smoke monster also kills, something we haven’t seen Jacob do. The monster killed Echo for refusing to submit to it. It killed the pilot because he was unnecessary. Oddly enough it killed Keamy’s men- I suppose to protect Ben, who it knew, as part of its plan, it would ultimately use to kill Jacob. It even tried to kidnap Locke in an early episode, dragging him along the ground- perhaps to then imitate him from an earlier stage. It failed in that attempt, but went to ground for the longer plan.

    And who is the smoke monster? We saw in its lair the images of it almost as the pet of Anubis- the jackal-headed God. At least we saw, Anubis could summon it. In Jacob’s lair we saw swizzles of dark light beaming into regular people. Was that swizzles of the smoke monster? Or was that swizzles of free will? You have a choice?

    And Jacob, who is he? He lives in the remnants of a statue to Anubis- the God of Death. Is he Anubis himself? Is he the last living God (now dead)?

    “It only has to end once.”
    What does Jacob mean by this? Does he mean- the humans need only rise up and kill the Gods once? Everything until then is progress. And when they finally do so- they will be free to determine their own course of evolution. Something Jacob over the ages has periodically checked in on by calling humans to the island. Something the smoke monster believes can never happen, as humans can not evolve to that level.

    So- what was Jacob’s plan? Jacob’s plan was for Jack to do what he did. He snuck it under the radar, by allowing the smoke monster to think the most important thing was to kill Jacob. In chess it’s like sacrificing your Queen to get a check-mate. Or even sacrificing a king for mutually assured destruction.

    So where do we go for the next season? What is the final battle? Will Jack et al face off directly with the smoke monster in the Temple? Will there be an argument- much like the one Death has in that movie by Bergman, much like the one at the start of this finale- between the smoke monster and Jack about logic, and faith, and human’s ability to overcome?

    Perhaps. I’d set it over the events of the first two seasons, as in have our characters get warped back/forwards in time to the moment they first landed on the island. They move amongst the events of the first two seasons- intervening when necessary to keep things on track. The climax is in the Temple, at the same time Desmond is turning the key under the Hatch and destroying the energy pocket finally. Showdown in the blaze of white light, and what really happened, a climax they haven’t yet exploited to its full potential.

    That could be cool.

    Isn’t it great to have this aspect back to LOST- one of cosmic proportion and constant theorizing? It’s been absent from the past 2 seasons I felt. All the stuff with Keamy in season 3, and with future flashes and moving the island in season 4, that was human stuff. That was about Ben and Widmore having a power struggle. But they are just people. Now we’re back on track for something cosmic, elemental, and for the fate of all humanity. Rock on.


    Jason Collin Reply:

    I guess Jacob and whatever fake Locke is are servants of the once masters of the island, the ones the statues were constructed for. The masters have since withdrawn, leaving the servants.

    Seems the Smoke Monster is the Fake Locke. The smoke monster before has been referred to as a security system. So maybe the role of Jacob was something else for the former master’s of the island. Maybe Jacob was human resources?


  2. That's Bullshit!
    on May 15th, 2009 3:46 PM

    I haven’t ready your posts fully yet as I type this. I will, but I want to voice my initial feelings after just having watched the episodes…… I’ll go back and read your points and respond later this weekend when I have time…

    Would love some feedback from you two on what I write though, so read on

    Here is my RANT…..

    All this time? All this fucking time and Jack’s entire motivation for coming back and trying to change things is because he is sad he couldn’t be with Kate? That’s Bullshit! Laaaaammmooooo!!

    5 seasons of seeing Jack’s determination to save people….to make things better…and all he wants to do now is have another chance to be with Kate? Kate the flake? Kate the aloof, unpredictable run-away? How is she the guiding point in the plot? Sawyer summed it up right when he said. “Well why don’t you just go tell her Doc? She’s standing on the other side of those bushes!”

    Then Juliette wanting to throw it all away because of ‘a look’ Sawyer and Kate shared? They have been leading us along the garden path with a pretty convincing arguement that Sawyer is totally in love with Juliette….even right up to the end….his love for her and the life they have built…..it is so evident right up to the final scene…..so how the Hell can she she doubt it all because of “a look?”

    And THEN Saywer finally giving into to all this bullshit? Jack’s bullshit? Juliette’s sudden fear? That is ridiculous!

    The entire sequence just felt so wrong…so out of character for all 3 of those characters with how they have been developed all this time. And to have that as the main motivation as to why they all rally together to make the bomb go off…while Sayid lies there bleeding from a bullet to the stomach…..it just doesn’t wash. It isn’t at all consistent to how these characters have been developed for the last 5 years.

    Don’t get me wrong. I loved all the other reveals…..the fake Locke, the statue, flashbacks to the pivotal moments in each character’s lives, cameos by Rose and Bernard and finally getting to see Jacob……Actually though….I have some contention with this point too….Doesn’t it feel like the writers have kinda been adding this mysterious Jacob aspect all this time without a clue how they were going to bring him into the story, or what role he really would really play? Then just now they finally decide how they are going to include him and just now include him in all the flashbacks? I mean where the hell was he up to now if he was so important the the back story? Unless I am wrong, we haven’t seen him in the flashbacks before have we? They just threw him in for this episode.

    Another thing I don’t dig at all is Ben turning into a puddle of his former self….. Totally buying into the simple rationale of John Locke that he should kill Jacob. And basing all this on the fact that an image of his daughter told him to follow Locke. Since when was Ben so easily manipulated? Since when did he reveal his inner thinking and motivations so that someone could use them as a weapon against him. This is the Ben that was always 3 moves ahead in his motivation…..the Ben who so cleverly and calculatedly manipulated everyone on the island, manipulated all the returning 6 back in the real world…and got them back on the plane…..Why a sudden loss of backbone now? So he winds up on the island again and just because Locke is back from the dead, he buys into his ridiculous plan and kills Jacob? Doesn’t anyone else see this an not really fitting of Ben’s character?

    And if Jacob was so concerned with self preservation…which we are led to believe as he tells Ben he has a choice….. if he we so intent on staying alive, why did he throw it back in Ben’s face at the crucial moment with “What ABOUT you Ben?” and put him over the edge\? It wouldn’t have taken kung-fu….just a bit of reassurance to Ben who has, after all, been following him for 30 years and now is confused.

    It just all doesn’t make sense to me. It doesn’t fit the mold of the characters that they have been so deliberate in shaping all these years and all these episodes. I’m sorry, but this episode…this season final is a cop out. It is a sell-out to have some resolution…to tie up some of the loose ends that they have created. It tells me that they really haven’t been planning all along very well how the final of this show is going to play out. They are running out of time and forcing it to get it to its conclusion….and ruining it in the process..


    Jason Collin Reply:

    That’s a good point about Jack’s motivation.


    MJG Reply:

    About the characters motivations:

    Jack- Jack has always wanted to ‘fix’ things. Ever since successfully sewing up the girl’s nerve cluster (count to 5, Jack), he has been trying to fix what was broken. He tried to fix his past relationship beyond the point that it was possible. He tried to fix the situation for the LOSTies, by evacuating them, even in the face of Locke saying it was the worst move. Then when he got off he island he realized that all of that might have been a mistake- leading to losing Kate, going a bit mad, flying over the Pacific repeatedly (that’s dark, Jack), and becoming a junkie drunk. He comes back to the island and has the chance to undo all of that? Ha, I’d take it!

    The Kate thing is merely the reason he gives Sawyer. But now that has been ruined by events. He has been ruined by events- she doesn’t respect him the same way, he’s lost what he had. And he wants it back. He won’t get her back, but at least he’ll get himself and his self-respect back.

    Sawyer- Is plainly in love with Juliette, though also plainly Kate still has a lot of meaning for him. That he does whatever Juliette says is not surprising, though I think they showed him incredibly frustrated by her- so he wasn’t exactly rolling over mildly. But he did- such is his love.

    Juliette- A lot hangs here on Juliette. She is the instigator a lot of times- she lets them go to save Ben, she gets them off the sub, she helps to block Jack, and finally she gets Sawyer to let Jack continue. Why does she change her mind so much? Well, because of love, and loss. For 3 years she and Sawyer had the best thing ever. No doubt it was magical and unreal, and they were totally wrapped up in each other. With the return of Kate to that world, the bubble was broken. Everything that happened to her before, all the bad stuff with Ben, Goodwin, that belonged to the world Kate was a part of would come flooding back in, as well as the memory of seeing Sawyer and Kate haveing sex in the polar bear cage. She’d be reminded of the callous person she was then, and that Sawyer was too.

    Their fantasy of the past 3 years was too much for her to lose. When she saw Sawyer look at Kate, she realized the fantasy had always been underwritten by Kate and all that other stuff, and couldn’t be real. I can believe that would be a huge feeling of loss. Perhaps even a feeling of betrayal, and of foolishness that she’d allowed herself to believe the fantasy was real.

    So, she agrees to end it all. It could be interpreted as spiteful or jealous, and maybe it is, but it’s also just sad. What they had before could not continue, because things had changed. Though Sawyer staring purposefully at her after Jack first dropped the bomb would have gone a long way to cement them back together.

    At the bottom of the hole, of course she smashes the bomb. Wouldn’t you? It was her only chance at life, at that point.


    BRADY Reply:

    Thanks for responding Mike…..I’m glad I got some reaction other than Jason’s feeble attempt to appease me…..

    I get what you say.. I do. And I don’t doubt that Jack wants to fix things. There is no disagreement there. My frustration is that what he tells Sawyer is that he is trying to fix everything because of Kate. This makes no sense to me. You say that it is merely the reason that he tells Sawyer…….but that is a bit of a cop out. I mean here is the climatic scene of the episode……of the season. Sawyer comes up with the killer line of “What I do understand is that a man does what he does because he wants something for himself….What do you want Jack?” But Jack answers that it is all about Kate and the fact that he lost his chance to be with her….and this is the part that greatly disappoints me. It just doesn’t follow the story line, and since I HATE Kate, it infuriates me all that much more. (Why, why, why didn’t they just kill her off in season 2) Yes, Jack and Kate had a past that didn’t work out. But wasn’t that because of Jack’s frustration with Kate and where her priorities were? (Aaron, and doing favors for Sawyer) He left. He moved on…..Yes, then his life went into a downward spiral, and now he wants to fix things. This I get. You don’t have to sell me on that. What I don’t accept is that at the climax of the season, it all comes back to Kate and that he wants to be with her. It just doesn’t fit. They could have written anything else on how Jack is on a mission to fix things…or that he has come around to Locke’s reasoning, which is what it looked like they were taking it. But all this bullshit about Kate just pisses me off.

    Then to see Sawyer give in so easily to what Juliette says…..to give up on what he has done with his life and what they have…regardless of how she feels in the moment. Yeah, Juliette is affected by that look….which is still ridiculous, but I guess you have to believe it since they put that flashback with her as a little girl finding out her parents were divorcing…..they cover the bases there….But to see Sawyer cave to the plan and give up all he has gained is just weak writing. It doesn’t cut it for me. That Juliette doesn’t see is love and recognize he love is ridiculous….. But I guess they had to advance the plot somehow eh? It just seems weak…that’s all.

    Don’t get me wrong. I love the episode and all the reveals and the mythology…all the stuff you wrote about. I dig that. I just also dig the character development. The characters also drive the story and when I see that the writers have does with 5 years of building this at one of the major climax scenes in the final episode….it just infuriated me….. I’m surprised everyone else was wowed by the mythology and didn’t feel a twinge of what I felt.


    MJG Reply:


    Jack- Maybe you misremembered what Jack and Sawyer say. Jack says he’s doing what he’s doing because of a strong feeling of destiny. He never says- ‘I’m doing this for Kate’. Unuh, no sirree. He doesn’t even suggest that. Sawyer goes on to say- ‘a man does what he does because he wants something’. That’s Sawyer’s view, not Jack’s. Jack tells him what he wanted- past tense. ‘I had her’. That is the answer to Sawyer’s question- ‘what do you want?’ not ‘why are you doing this?”

    He’s doing it cos it feels right to his sense of fixing things. He always tried to get people off the island, in a sense to undo their lostness. Now he has the perfect chance to undo everything. It’s not about Kate at all, that is wholly in the past. They are two different things.


    Sawyer- I don’t get your problem here. Sawyer wants to leave the island with Juliette, he doesn’t care about the bomb. Juliette changes her mind, Sawyer follows. He has her back. He wasn’t passionate to stop Jack, he was like Rose and Bernie, he didn’t care. Then he fights Jack, because Juliette put him in that position, what is the big deal that he stops when she asks him to? He’s only there because of her in the first place! If she wants him to stop- of course he would, and then want to know why.

    Juliette- She’s taking an immature choice. Like the little girl in the flashback, essentially she hasn’t changed. She’s saying- I want the fairytale romance, or let’s end the world. I don;’t want to have to grow up (again) and accept that this love we have is not absolute – because there’s a peek of Kate in there.

  3. on May 16th, 2009 9:09 PM

    I’ll post this first without any influence from the above comments.

    Well only one more season to go after this, don’t know what I’ll do with myself without having Lost to look forward to.

    First let me say that Lost delivered on this finale, and that it, and this whole season in fact, was both entertaining and fascinating, Lost is the best TV show out there right now, nothing else even comes close.

    However I’ve got issues with this finale that I need to get off my chest.
    The end of season 5 saw the list of characters that I like suddenly dwindle down to almost zero. As I’ve stated before, my favourite consistent characters were: Sawyer and Locke, followed by Sayid, Hurley and Desmond. With this finale, I found myself pissed off at the story lines of both my top two faves.

    Sawyer getting screwed around by Juliette and Kate was hardly something he could control, but the total turn around from the calm, thinking Sawyer of this season when he attacked Jack and tried to kill him with his bare hands was too out of character for me. The fact that Jack could also outfight him also made me ill, although throughout Lost, Jack has for some reason, always been able to beat Sawyer. Watching him loose control of everything he’d built up made him look weak and ineffective again, which pissed me off.

    Locke was probably my favourite until I found that he’s actually dead, and the Locke we’ve been watching is actually possessed. At least there’s a reason why Locke has been acting increasingly out of character these last few eps. When Locke told Ben they’d have to ‘take care of’ the newest batch of plane crashees, I was like ‘Is this Locke??!’ The new Locke is cool, self-possessed, strong, and knows what he’s about, but it’s not Locke, so I find myself not liking him anymore.

    Sayid was a likeable character for me until he started acting stupid, like refusing to let Sawyer help him, killing young Ben, etc. Now he’s been shot, but I doubt we’ve seen the end of him, or anybody else from the last ep. for that matter.

    Desmond and Hurley remain likeable to me, but Desmond seems to be off the show now, which is maybe for the best. He’s suffered enough.
    Hurley is great, but he gets hardly any screen time anymore.

    Other things that I really didn’t like?
    -Kate, and everything she did this whole season. Damn!!!
    -Juliette in the last ep. I was really liking Juliette this season until she screwed over Sawyer like that. What a bitch! So he looked at Kate. Who cares? Very very lame excuse for her behaviour.
    -That entire group of new Jacob followers. If they really do end up being the good guys, I’ll be seriously pissed off.
    -Sun and her storyline. Weak, boring, and unnecessary.
    -The whole deal with the nuke. Just seems too mundane and silly.
    -Jack suddenly manning up again, running around shooting people like a commando while everyone else with guns always misses him. Jack has been a loser and wuss for so long it’s almost too late in my mind.

    Things that shone through.
    -Ben, but mainly because he’s such a good actor. As usual he has some of the best lines: ‘It’s a door, how about that!’ ‘I’m a picses’.
    -Finally seeing Jacob. I was convinced for a long time that Jacob didn’t really exist, and that when Locke said he was going to kill him, what he actually meant was that he was going to kill the ‘idea’ of Jacob, meaning that he was going to prove that there was never any Jacob.
    -Rose and Bernard, and the things they said. Awesome. Glad they’re still alive.

    Anyway despite the above criticisms, It was a good finale, and an even better season.



    Jason Collin Reply:

    Never speak ill of beloved Juliette!!!

    She is totally in her rights to be angry at Sawyer for the look he gave Kate. I knew instantly when Sawyer did that that Juliette would never feel the same about Sawyer again.

    Yeah, I was thinking too, “when did Jack ever learn to shoot like that?” From his flashbacks it didn’t look like he spent hours on the shooting range. I guess he is just a quick learner.


  4. Jei
    on May 19th, 2009 9:02 AM

    Great points all.

    Here’s some theories:

    First, to defend Jason’s beloved Juliette, today I heard a great theory (not mine) that totally makes sense out of Juliette’s actions: she’s pregnant, so she knew she was going to die. This would tie everything together for her character, the doctor who came to the island to help the inhabitants have children again. This theory also means she has to be alive next season, which is something that is very uncertain.

    Second, I think Miles was right: the incident was the bomb, meaning nothing is changed, but there is a Desmond-like effect and they all live, albeit shifted somehow.

    Season 6 features Claire, Christian, and Walt in some important roles.

    The “good guys” are not “bad guys”, but they aren’t “good guys” either.

    Hurley will take Jacob’s place.

    Desmond will be back, but now all of the Losties who survived the explosion are outside of normal time like he is.

    Some of the Dharma guys survived to be villains.

    The season will start with a plane landing at LAX.


    Jason Collin Reply:

    That’s a good theory about Juliette being pregnant and makes her loving Sawyer so deeply seem more plausible.

    Ha, can’t see Hurley taking Jacob’s place though.

    UK and I were talking that as implausible as it sounds, we feel the opening scene of season 6 could be in LAX.


    MJG Reply:

    Interesting theories, Jei.

    I like the possibility that, by blowing up the nuke, nothing was changed- and that was actually all along ‘The Incident’. It rolls to some extent with what Richard said to Sun in ’07- ‘I saw them all die’. The only time he could possibly have seen them die was then. There’s no chance they would have been there for Ben’s dharma purge. Plus other things like Chang getting his hand messed up suggest the Incident was always like this.

    Roll on from that and you’ve got our ’77 Lostaways blown out of time- like Desmond. I like this idea. They are freed from the continuum in a way, though who’s to say what power they’ll actually have to change things.

    One thought- as he dies Jacob says- ‘They’re coming’. It seems he’s talking about Elana and the crew with Locke’s body in the box- but maybe not. They are no threat to the Smoke Monster anyway, he’s already killed Jacob, and that’s all he wanted. Rather he is talking about the ’77 Lostaways, coming through time to wipe him out.

    “What lies in the shadow of the statue?”
    “He who will save/protect us all.”

    I like Jason’s idea that Jacob and Smoke Monster were both servants (or perhaps lesser incarnations) of some now-dormant God. I guess he will be the one to rouse from the Temple and kick some butt in short order.


  5. BRADY
    on May 20th, 2009 9:57 PM

    I still think they all acted out of character and I’m surprised that none of you acknowledge that. But whatever….

    I am deeply entrenched in True Blood…..HBO’s new, hot, bloody series. HBO does series unlike the regular networks do….there is no holding back in any regard. True Blood takes the sex, and violence of Rome and Deadwood and adds mystery, cliff hanger endings and by the way it is going, I doubt it will run its course in 2 years like it HBO predecessors.


    Jason Collin Reply:

    Brady…True Blood is not new! Its first season has long been over, or is it just coming to Canada now? I really liked that series and reviewed the 4th episode here:



    MJG Reply:

    True Blood starts strong but absolutely whimpers out. A little bit like ‘Heroes’, The high-concept idea has a lot of potential for a great wide world filled with a huge conflict that will widen taking in more and more people until there’s a huge climax. Like Heroes though- True Blood instead goes the route of weakening all its most interesting characters because the writers were too wimpish to bring them into a big ending.

    Lame. I could barely stand to watch the last few episodes.


  6. steve mcjean
    on May 24th, 2009 5:48 PM

    MJG, i really loved your theory. i thought it was true for some reason because ur theory does make lots of sense and how ur theory about the climax of the ending of the show was great as well. i was reading a transcript of a podcast from the lost writers (darlton) they said that the climax of the show will not be heartwarming or heartbreaking but it will be heartstopping. they even mentioned where the climax would take place. im not gonna say because thats a big spoiler. JEI, ur theory sounded alot like spoilers copypasted from spoiler websites, no offense but if that theory u posted were spoilers, i’d be really dissapointed because i would want the first scene of season 6 to be a surprise. but if ur theory is not a spoiler then i say that ur theory was very good. i just found this site today and im glad i did. its a really good website and keep it up JASON COLLIN :)


    Jason Collin Reply:

    Thanks Steve. Yeah, we don’t like spoilers of any kind here, but no one has ever posted any before so it should be safe.


  7. steve mcjean
    on May 24th, 2009 6:05 PM

    yeah its steve mcjean again, i want to apologize to jei for accusing him of postings spoilers. my bad. and i want to talk about this season’s lackluster of great episodes. season 5 is probably the weakest season of lost in terms of story. 1)storytelling was really slow and painful until we reached the last 2 episodes of the season. 2)there were so many filler episodes (maybe like 9 to 10 episodes that were so useless in terms of moving the plot forward). 3)i an only think of 5 episodes that were really good this season (this is not common for lost in my opinion).the episodes are “the incident” (this episode is in its own league in my opinion), “dead is dead” (i’ve never been so excited while watching an episode of lost and its ending was a great payoff), “follow the leader” (this is the best penultimate (of any season of lost) since “greatest hits” from season 3, “this place is death” (i thought this episode was fantastic because its storytelling was fastpaced) and finally “jughead” (this may not be lost’s most mythologycally filled episode but it was a great emotional episode that calmed things down and had great emotional scenes) again i apologize to jei and i hope u accept this apology.


  8. BG
    on June 1st, 2009 11:42 PM

    Hey Brady,

    Finally got around to watching this one, I have to totally agree with your criticisms of the Jack/Kate/Sawyer/Juliette scenes.

    Other lesser annoyances, pretty lame/unnecessary gunfights, Ben’s easy manipulation was a little odd, I thought he’d put up a little more of a fight, be more demanding before being set off, the rose/bernard cameo was nice but the dialogue was pretty clunky.

    Liked it though, left with a big what now? and the reveals were certainly interesting.


    P.S. Jason, RE attention to detail – I think you confuse cause and effect with regard to the VW van. Much more likely that once they had it in the can they decided to introduce it all over the place.


    Jason Collin Reply:

    I’d have to disagree with you on the VW van once being used just getting used all that time afterwards. Knowing that Damon and Carlton put everything in the show for a reason, to make the VW van the centerpiece of an entire ep, I am sure they had already known it would play future key roles in the show.

    I never like the gunfights in the finales either.


  9. BG
    on June 2nd, 2009 4:32 PM

    This review by Tim Goodman captures a lot of my misgivings about the episode. Though some things annoyed him more than they did me.

    http://www.sfgate.com /cgi-bin/blogs/tgoodman/detail?blogid=24&entry_id=40156

    (remove the space between ‘.com’ and ‘/cgi-bin’ – spam filter won’t let me link directly)

    Jason, I’m sure they put everything in for a reason – I just don’t think that the reason is necessarily unchanged by the time they get back to it or more than just a vague notion of usefulness.


  10. Dale
    on June 3rd, 2009 8:56 AM

    I just finished watching the series on the weekend, and I have to side with Brady. Everything felt rushed, action-oriented, building to a final climax more like this was the very last episode!
    I would have appreciated something more creative than an H-bomb as the focus/turning point of the entire show?

    The main characters – seemed wishy-washy or decisive against the original grain of their characters; acting like teenagers, not adults. Or am I emotionally-challenged?
    I never liked Locke but he seemed more interesting as this Schemer than ever before, so glad that this Locke isn’t supposed to be the real one. And did they kill off the only stand-up guy with a pair of balls?? I hope Sayid survives to show Jack and Sawyer the real Way of the Knife for being such pansies.

    Hope the final season can redeem the last few (okay, season 5 wasn’t too bad). If I remember the show in 8.5 months, I’ll find out.


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